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Doubleshot for the Religious Braindead
10.19.05 (7:23 am)   [edit]
For all you fervent religious wackos, just a couple of little items to think about. First up a little Science news that may threaten the idea of Intelligent Design and that we're alone and something special. Note that it's not definitive proof but the making are all there.



Life's Building Blocks 'Abundant in Space'

Bjorn Carey
Staff Writer
SPACE.com Tue Oct 18,12:00 PM ET

The idea that comets and meteorites seeded an early Earth with the tools to make life has gained momentum from recent observations of some of these building blocks floating throughout the cosmos.

Scientists scanning a galaxy 12 million light-years away with
NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope detected copious amounts of nitrogen containing polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), molecules critical to all known forms of life.

PAHs carry information for DNA and RNA and are an important component of hemoglobin, the molecule that transports oxygen through the body. They also make chlorophyll, the main molecule responsible for photosynthesis in plants, and – perhaps most importantly – they're the main ingredient in caffeine and chocolate.

"There once was a time that the assumption was that the origin of life, everything from building simple compounds up to complex life, had to happen here on Earth," said study leader Doug Hudgins of Ames Research Center. "We've discovered that some very biologically interesting molecules can be formed outside our earthly environment and delivered here."

Wherever there's a planet ...

While organic compounds have been discovered in meteorites that have landed on Earth, this is the first direct evidence for the presence of complex, important biogenic compounds in space. So far evidence suggests that PAHs are formed in the winds of dying stars and spread all over interstellar space.

"This stuff contains the building blocks of life, and now we can say they're abundant in space," Hudgins said. "And wherever there's a planet out there, we know that these things are going to be raining down on it. It did here and it does elsewhere."

Using the Spitzer Space Telescope, Hudgins and his colleagues detected the familiar chemical signature of regular polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) in the spiral galaxy M81, as well as a similar, but unknown signature.

"There were a few anomalies in the spectrum that we couldn't explain," Hudgins told SPACE.com. The researchers compared their readings to the infrared signatures of similar molecules, finally settling on nitrogen containing PAHs because their data showed there was nitrogen in the regions they were investigating.

"When we did that, we found that by putting a little nitrogen in these molecules explained the troubling molecules," Hudgins said. "This discovery takes this reservoir of molecules that we didn't think were interesting and transforms all this stuff into something of biologic interest."

The chicken wire of life

PAHs are flat, chicken-wire shaped molecules made up of carbon and hydrogen, interesting to scientists because life on Earth is carbon-based. However, PAHs are not used in human biochemistry. In fact, they're better known as cancer-causing carcinogens and environmental pollutants.

But swap a carbon atom with a nitrogen and a PAH becomes a PANH, a class of molecules critical to humans. Without nitrogen, it would be impossible to build amino acids, proteins, DNA, RNA, hemoglobin, and many other important molecules.

Here on Earth, Nitrogen makes up 78 percent of the atmosphere and is a key member of CHNOPS – carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, and sulfur – the group of ingredients most important for making life and staples of organic chemistry.

It's also the main component of ammonia, which is used in fertilizers and explosives on Earth, but has also been detected in Jupiter's atmosphere and possibly in Titan's icy lakes.

PAHs aren't the first of life's building blocks to be discovered in space – amino acids, the nuts and bolts of proteins, have also been found in the tails of comets. Meteorites that have landed in Australia and Antarctica also contain amino acids and PAHs.

"This tells us that these things that we see out in space can survive interstellar space and successfully be delivered to the surface of a planet," Hudgins said.

Does not mean life

Some scientists even think that a Martian meteorite found in Antarctica shows signs of extraterrestrial bacteria and that sugar-loaded asteroids may have fed early life on our planet.

While PAHs are abundant in interstellar space, Hudgins says this doesn't prove that terrestrial life has extra-terrestrial origins. But, to paraphrase Occam's Razor, given two equally likely theories, choose the simpler.

"This isn't proof that they were used, but a likely suggestion," Hudgins said. "They were present in abundance at the dawn of time and could have been useful in creating the first life form."


OK, you've pooh-poohed that off with a wave of your self-righteous hand but if you would indulge me a bit more.


"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."


The first sentence of the most famous book in the world and arguably in our history. To many people it's the Truth, a fact: undeniable and indispustable. But that one sentence raises some questions and if any of the more religious of my readers would please answer them I'd be grateful.


1) Who created God?


2) What did God do before creating the heaven and earth?


3) How long did God wait before creating the heaven and earth?


That's all. Just three simple questions. Thanks.

 


posted by: Rifleman (reply)
post date: 10.28.05 (6:33 pm)

Matter does not seek a higher energy level without additional energy and complex systems tend to decay into chaos not become more complex.

The fact is the nitrogen and hydrocarbon molecules are plentiful, but that is no proof that they assembled themselves into extremely complex organisms. This subject was already addressed years ago when supposedly, amino acids were found on a metorite. Some years later some scientists CLAIMED to have created life when they mixed RNA and non specific proteins. I realized later that the claim was presumptiuos since viruses cannot reproduce without a complex host cell that the virus is genetic specific to.


1) Who created God?



2) What did God do before creating the heaven and earth?



3) How long did God wait before creating the heaven and earth?

1) God is either eternal or created himself. I would ask, How did the big bang come to be?

2) I don't know, God didn't tell me. I would ask, what happened before the Big Bang?

3) The answer to that is not clear either and would be beyond our understanding since we only comprehend things in linear time. Before the Earth was created, time was irrelevant. Einstein's theory of relativity would deduce that if God could move things fater than the speed of light, they would appear older than they actually are. There are many things in the universe that man can see but cannot explain, like dark matter, the large mass that bends light and alter orbits but cannot be seen. Some Scientists use the term black holes to explain some of the dark mass, but they will never be able to prove it. There are also quasars, objects that are releasing a tremendous amount of energy, too much to sustain and moving at a tremendous speed. Who can explain? So before you unleash your continued religion bashing answer the questions.






posted by: meg (reply)
post date: 08.07.06 (12:57 am)

i don't now about your so-called 'accurate' scientific discoveries, but i know you're right about one thing. the bible is the most famous book in history. you may not realise it, but you are offending people by reffering to them as 'religious wakos'. you are also arrogant and rude. God was always there, no-one created him. know one knows what he did before creating heaven and earth, or how long he waited. maybe, when i'm in heaven and you're burning in hell, i might ask him. but i won't be able to tell you. unless you accept God as your saviour (because he loved the world so much-even rude, arrogant losers like you- that he sent his only son to die on the cross for us)and ask his forgiveness, you are facing eternal suffering when he comes back. so think about that. sometimes you have to believe without scientific proof. it's not that hard. it's a lot easier than researching your whole life to find answers.



posted by: littlemrmahatma (reply)
post date: 08.09.06 (4:42 pm)

(I'm facing eternal suffering living on the same planet with a bunch of blathering religious wackos. BTW, Jesus wasn't God's only son. Read Genesis to find others (and not meaning Adam).)

So you're saying I should stop asking questions and stop seeking answers?!? I should quietly accept everything my preacher/rabbi/imam tells me and *trust* it won't lead to a vat of kool-aid? I should trust that the Bible is perfect? I should trust that (a) Jesus lived and (b) Jesus did everything exactly as written in the New Testament when even Christian/Catholic scholars admit that the New Testament is un-verified?

It's called brain. I have one and happen to like using it occassionally. If you're more comfortable not using yours - fine. I can live with it. But don't tell me to stop using mine.



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