Religion and Science

Ravings from the Frothy Middle


Blog For Free!


Archives
Home
2008 September
2008 March
2007 August
2007 July
2007 February
2007 January
2006 September
2006 August
2006 July
2006 June
2006 May
2006 April
2006 March
2006 February
2006 January
2005 December
2005 November
2005 October
2005 September
2005 August
2005 July
2005 June
2005 May
2005 April
2005 March
2005 February
2005 January
2004 December
2004 November
2004 October
2004 September
2004 August
2004 July
2004 June
2004 May
2004 April
2004 March
2004 February
2004 January

My Links
Little Miss Attila
Dr. Forbush Thinks
Slashdot
Games Slashdot
User Friendly
James Randi
Snopes
Home of the Underdogs
The Sun Online

tBlog
My Profile
Send tMail
My tFriends
My Images


Sponsored
Blog


In which the middle-aged Peacenik mouths off about War Drones--and all the other things that make him cranky. Pnorny!

Mr Mahatma--who is a Mr in real life--lives in the valleys of Southern California with his wife, a herd of Dears, and an impressive collection of books. He is reachable at: littlemrmahatma@yahoo.com

All writings are copyrighted 2003-2008 and trademarked: Little Mr. Mahatma

Blogger Main Site


Still More Links:

Listed on BlogShares

Blogarama - The Blog Directory
Blogarama-Review My Site

IceRocket

LS Blogs

Blog Universe

Search For Blogs, Submit Blogs, The Ultimate Blog Directory

Blog Directory & Search engine

Site Meter


Religion and Science
03.10.05 (10:55 am)   [edit]
This kind of crap just riles me up. Physicist - winner of the Nobel Prize - makes such basic errors in logic that you got to wonder.



Physicist Wins Spirituality Prize

Thu Mar 10, 7:55 AM ET

By Larry B. Stammer Times Staff Writer

Charles Townes, the UC Berkeley professor who shared the 1964 Nobel Prize in physics for his work in quantum electronics and then startled the scientific world by suggesting that religion and science were converging, was awarded the $1.5-million Templeton Prize on Wednesday for progress in spiritual knowledge.

The prize, the proceeds of which Townes said he planned to largely donate to academic and religious institutions, recognized his groundbreaking and controversial leadership in the mid-1960s in bridging science and religion.

The co-inventor of the laser, Townes, 89, said no greater question faced humankind than discovering the purpose and meaning of life — and why there was something rather than nothing in the cosmos.

"If you look at what religion is all about, it's trying to understand the purpose and meaning of our universe," he said in a telephone interview from New York this week. "Science tries to understand function and structures. If there is any meaning, structure will have a lot to do with any meaning. In the long run they must come together."

Townes said that it was "extremely unlikely" that the laws of physics that led to life on Earth were accidental.

But this is his opinion, not even a scientific hypothesis.

Some scientists, he conceded, had suggested that if there were an almost infinite number of universes, each with different laws, one of them was bound by chance to hit upon the right combination to support life.

"I think one has to consider that seriously," Townes told The Times. But he said such an assumption could not currently be tested. Even if there were a multitude of universes, he said, we do not know why the laws of physics would vary from one universe to another.

So he says the scientific assumption can't be tested but doesn't recognize that his assertion that "life on Earth wasn't accidental" can't be tested either.

[snip]
"The fact that the universe had a beginning is a very striking thing," Townes said. "How do you explain that unique event" without God?

Townes this week spoke of his interest in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. The sheer number of stars and planets, he said, would likely increase the probability of intelligent life elsewhere. But for life to get started on even one planet is "highly improbable. It might not have started more than two or three times," he said. "It would be fascinating to find somebody out there."

[snip]

How do you explain God then if God is greater than the Universe? Worse, wouldn't intelligence on other planets suggest influences other than God, that perhaps life isn't the result of some Supreme Being?


Science and Religion may converge and find acceptable harmony but only if science weakens its stringent requirements of verifiability and replicability or if the religious factions gain a shot of logic outside of their restricted viewpoints. I'm not even sure that mainstream religion is concerned with life's meaning. I feel it's more concerned with gaining (political) power, influence, and sheer survival - not to mention collecting the all-important tithe.


My view: Religion - organized religion - is collective, open to interpretation and perversion. It's a tool to be used by those in charge to manipulate, exhort, and extort the sheep. Spirituality, on the other hand, is a component of religion. It is personal, sensual, and may not have anything to do with finding meaning in life other than simply enjoying "being". But do I get a prize for being a hard-assed science geek with a stronger sense of spirituality than most preachers? Do I get a prize for being an Atheist and a Spiritual person? Didn't think so.

0 Comments
 
Your Name:


Your Comment:


More Links:

POLITICS:
Arianna
FactCheck.ORG not .COM
SpinSanity
Black Box Voting
OpenSecrets
Open The Government
AntiWar
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Church of Critical Thinking
The New Enlightenment
Mother Jones
Reuters
Pravda

RELIGION:
Secular Web - Atheism
Skeptic's Annotated Bible and annotated Koran.
The Happy Heretic
Fallacies
The Skeptic's Dictionary
God of the Month
Religion Selector