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Facts, Interpretations, and Other Animals
03.16.05 (7:55 am)   [edit]
A co-worker and I had another of our famous discussions. She's of the New Age-y "all-is-one and one-is-all" mentality and I'm just my usual ornery self. Surprisingly, our philosophies of life tend to agree at the basic level. It's when we go beyond the basic level that our discussions get interesting. Half the fun is dealing with her arguments - not that I'm any great logician - and showing that most of her contentions are speculation and imagination.


She came into my cubicle with some "Explanation of Sacred Geometry" article that I had to read. It would change my life. Of course, anything would change my life. Any way, without looking at the article I said that "sacred" is an interpretation, an adjective applied by the author. There is nothing sacred in and of itself, and certainly not when applied to geometry. And off we went...


I find what's difficult to get across to people is the difference between a fact and an interpretation, between a given and a hypothesis. For example, this article talked about inertia and how if our universe is moving, something must have moved it and that is God (therefore God exists). The fact, the given is that our universe is moving; the interpretations, the hypotheses are that the movement is caused by God, and that there is a God to cause the movement. I countered that (1) the hypotheses are unsupported hence the conclusion maybe invalid and (2) there are other possibilities for our movement. I mentioned the classic example of circular reasoning: "Only a God could create a world such as ours. Our world exists, therefore God exists."


This is the thought process for too many people: Science can't explain every little nit-picky thing about, well, everything so that which is unexplained (and even explained) must be due to God (or some such nonsense). And with this begins the building of an unstable philosophical house of cards. Too many people are willing to accept some unsupported hypothesis without question. Worse, their belief in the hypothesis becomes unshakable. And with these hypotheses (plural) they end up with conclusions that may or may not border on ridiculous. Or, they use a conclusion that may be valid to justify the arguments supporting the conclusion - the ends justify the means. That mode of thought doesn't work well in reality (*cough* invasion of Iraq), in Ethics, or Philosophy.


I guess this is the crux of Faith - to have a fervent belief in something without a shred of evidence to support that belief. Personally, I find that very scary and those folks who constantly implore us to strengthen our Faith are even scarier for they are telling us - begging us - to bypass our intelligence, to short-circuit our sense of curiosity and for what? To become as narrow-minded as them, to throw away Science and all of its Achievements for Religion and an old, highly misinterpreted book.


No thanks. As Joe Friday regularly said "Just the facts, ma'am!"

 


posted by: LaMB@4F4.us (reply)
post date: 03.30.05 (9:59 am)

Hi,
Interesting Blog you have.I couldn't help but notice that for an "Athiest" you mention "God" alot.And you raise some very, very, interesting points here.I'll just try to explain that though my "beliefs" may differ..."something must have moved it and that is God (therefore God exists)"..yes 3 things prove God exists 1.Nature 2.Mankind 3.The Word of God..these things didn't happen by accident.

"demonstration of the principles of "Might is Right" and "The Ends justify the Means"...my thought "God" likes the underdog.He already has Power and Might.

"I fear our world is quickly devolving back in to a Dark Age of superstition. Instead of fighting demons with swords..."
You can thank Debbie at http://www.brutallyhonest.org/brutally_honest/2005/02/fight_for_terri.html for reminding us this one..."Remember, Jesus once stated, “I put before you life and death. Choose life!”

JESUS SAVES!!!

Feel free to comment on my blog at http://blogs.ardice.com/LaMB/



posted by: LaMB@4F4.us (reply)
post date: 03.30.05 (12:48 pm)

After doing a search I found that the verse "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life," is in Deuteronomy 30:19 (Before Jesus) NOT in the New Testament ...therefore may or may not have been quoted by Jesus...I apologize for the mixup.
You too can search Gods word at my free website www.4F4.us

GOD BLESS!!!



posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 03.30.05 (2:39 pm)

Terri Schiavo - God Save Her
Wednesday 03.30.05 [10:39 am]

Why don't any of the reknowned Faith Healers take this incredible opportunity to show the world the power and mercy of God by going to Florida and healing Terri Schiavo?

I bring up the following passage to address a your assertion. He first said that God is either not loving because He seems to be ignoring prayers for Terri Schiavo, or He actually doesn't exist. Then he asserted, "And furthermore, couldn't 'He' cure all skepticism once and for all by letting Terri die, and then bringing her back to life a week later?" I think the following passage answers that question.

The Rich Man and Lazarus, the word of the day and one of the best parables ever, is found in Luke 16:19-31. It is jam-packed with theology and provides a glimpse of what happens after death. In this excerpt, the rich man pleads from Hades with Abraham, whom he sees in a distance in Paradise, to send Lazarus from the dead to witness to the rich man's family:

And he said, "Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father's house--for I have five brothers--in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment." But Abraham said, "They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them." But he said, "No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!" But he said to him, "If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead." Luke 16:27-31 (NASB) (emphasis added)


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