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Pope John Paul II
04.05.05 (9:20 am)   [edit]
As an atheist, the passing of the Pope didn't mean much to me on any spiritual level. Politically, (and make no mistake the Pope is a political figure) things meant more for me. It should be interesting to see whom the Cardinals choose as the new Pope. Do they go Conservative or Liberal, regressive or progressive, Euro-central or perhaps Third World?


I'm sure JP2 was a nice person. I never met him though I did visit the Vatican back in 1990. I was amazed and impressed at the wealth of the Vatican. I remember another tourist commenting that the Vatican has the greatest collection of stolen treasures in the world. I couldn't argue with him. Jesus would be mighty impressed with the horde and mighty depressed at how it was acquired. It's kind of ironic that you'll find the church presence in many of the poorest areas of the world yet the Vatican is so rich. Maybe it's the religious version of Trickle-down theory.


JP2 did bring the Church screaming and kicking in to the 14th century. He apologized for the Church's behavior towards the Jews but he never quite loudly apologized for the Church's behavior towards child abuse. He was righteously disgusted at 9/11 and correctly disgusted at the Invasion of Iraq. He visited nearly every country in the world, including a visit to the Wailing Wall. I remember seeing him in downtown Los Angeles way back when, cruising by in his bulletproof Pope-mobile. The streets were somewhat empty so I gave him a friendly wave and - dang! - he waved back. We shared a moment and I appreciated him for that.


I'm amazed at the reactions to his death. As neither Judaism nor Islam have a single figurehead, neither group enjoys the periodic mourning fervor at a passing. At least, nothing on the Pope's level. But how much of the coverage was due to the celebrity mentality of the Media and how much was due to a religious bias in the Media? One channel had a reporter go on and on about how the Pope lived correctly to the teachings of Jesus Christ and he went on - Christ this and Christ that. Amazing thing was, it wasn't Fox.


I was amazed at how many reporters made the death seem so fantastic - "Going into God's arms", "greeted by Jesus Christ", etc. Folks, when John Paul 2 died, angels did not descend from the sky and sweep him up. Jesus Christ didn't appear over Rome. Ethereal trumpets didn't blare. He died - that's it. And he'll be buried with many other dead Popes under St. Peters - that's it. He won't be coming back on a white horse. There won't be a giant teardrop from God.


It looks like the Federal buildings have their flags at half-mast. So much for any illusion of separation of church and state - it's gone. The Pope proves even in death that religion and politics are inseparable at that scale.

 


posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 04.06.05 (7:24 am)

If the passing of the Pope did not bother you, why comment on it? Secondly, the Pope is a political figure secondarily: this is because he has to be a leader and he heads a religious state-- the Vatican. Chiefly, if you knew anything about religion, you'd know that he is a teacher, and he is picked not by the Cardinals but by the Holy Spirit moving through them to the right choice.

Now, you can laugh all you want about that. But what irks you is not the new Pope's political bent, but the honor the Pope was given by folks of all religions and creeds. It bothers you that this man was a giant of a Chrisitan and that others that follow belief systems entirely different from yours respect him.

If none of this bothered you, you wouldn't have to comment about it. Which really goes to the heart of what atheists are: basically whiney "know it alls" (they think) who are jealous and resentful of others.



posted by: littlemrmahatma (reply)
post date: 04.06.05 (10:44 am)

Ummm, I never say it didn't bother me. I say it "didn't mean much to me on any spiritual level." Instead I was fascinated at the amount and type of coverage simply because, I suspect, neither Judaism or Islam have a similar type of single figure at the lead.

But I take offfense at your statement that as an Atheist I am a know-it-all. I'm not and I admit it, which is more that most fervent believers are capable of - yourself included. Do you believe John Paul 2 is in heaven right now consorting with Jesus? If so, how do you know this?



posted by: DrForbush (reply)
post date: 04.06.05 (1:43 pm)

Reply to: littlemrmahatma

It is interesting that some people who don't leave a name are ready to call you one... in the name of someone they probably don't even know.

I am Catholic myself and I find it disturbing that some people get so fanatical about this event.




posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 04.15.05 (2:29 pm)

yeah,
Lets not all lose our heads over the seperation of church and state.It would be....uncivilized.

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